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Knicks made mistake
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JonPresser
posted about 1 year ago
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As a Nets fan, I think both the Knicks & Nets did well in their respective trades. The Knicks did give up far more than they had to give up & far more than Donnie Walsh allegedly wanted to, but in the end they got their man.
I don’t agree w/ the notion that the Nets mortgaged the future & have “basically no picks.” That’s absurd. The Nets had 4 first round picks in the next 2 years and gave up 2 of them. They did really well in that deal, if you assume Williams stays longterm, which of course is no sure bet.
Say what you want about the Knicks deal, I’m just hear to clear up the comment above about the Nets deal.
The Nets have “basically no picks?” They traded away their own 2011 1st-round pick in the deal as well as Golden State’s 2012 1st round pick. I have no problem with them trading away a high pick in 2011 because all I’ve heard is that this upcoming draft is weak anyway.
That being said, they still have the Lakers first round pick in 2011 for starters, as well as as a 2012 first round pick from Houston, their own 2012 first round pick and Miami’s 2012 second round pick.
They have traded their own 2nd round picks away in 2011 and 2012 though, (the 2011 pick is protected if it’s a top 55 picks though) but overall you can see they clearly do not have “basically no picks.”
You can criticize the Nets and say they gave up a decent package for a guy who could walk away, but there’s no way you can say deserved to get “killed” over their trade. If Williams ends up signing an extension, they stole him, point blank.
As far as giving up Favors, Kris Humphries is averaging over 12 pts & 13 rebounds per 36 mins this year and now starts in Favors’s place at PF. They won’t miss him.
I don’t know who I’m picking in this debate yet. I just wanted to clear the air on my team. We may be down and out for the time being but we have a lot of flexibility in the future so hopefully we’ll turn it around when we move to Brooklyn.
ryanmcaskill
posted about 1 year ago
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Have to disagree Gibbs. The Knicks were not going to win the NBA title this season before this trade. They know have 2 of the top 20, maybe top 15 players in the league. Also the Knicks just became a much more desirable location for free agents. On top of that can you think of a better arena in the NBA to play in than MSG when the fans care? Who wouldn’t want to play there.
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Gibbs, you can’t talk about mortgaging the future and then give the Nets as an example of NOT doing so. The Nets have basically no picks over the next couple of years. They got a great PG, but gave up their young big man to get him. To replace Favors, they can’t draft another guy because they simply don’t have a pick in the next two years. The Nets are getting killed over this trade, while the Knicks are the ones being praised. Let’s look at why:
The Knicks gave up supporting players, but maintained the one they wanted-Landry Fields. Fields is an excellent young player who can defend, shoot, and hustle. They kept him as he can fit in with any roster. They gave up Chandler who is replaced by Carmelo, an upgrade for sure. They gave up Gallinari who is promising but if you don’t like Melo’s defense, you will hate Gallo’s. They gave up Mosgov who has promise, but they found him off the scrap heap. If you can do that once, you can do it again. Then you have Felton who is replaced by “Mr. Big Shot”. Felton was gone in 2 years anyway as the Knicks will make a run for Chris Paul. Not a big deal there.
Bottom line, the Knicks are a big man away from being scary. Right now they have a solid foundation and a few pretty good role players. It’s not nearly the situation you are making it out to be. If you have a competant center on this team, they are very, very good. None of their losses are remotely close to what they gained and they are much better moving forward for it.
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